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Brown_eyes_2284 · 01-01-2008, 07:54 PM

thanks for sharing hun

SPANISH_BOY · 01-01-2008, 11:22 PM

very nice keep sending them!!!!!

GrammyBear · 01-02-2008, 06:20 AM

howdy and welcome Spanish Boy

derek · 01-09-2008, 09:17 PM

i love it too ,louzhu

acaciadad · 01-27-2008, 06:17 PM

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I'm not sure why everyone picks on the Cherokees. They are, after all, one of the Five Civilized Tribes, along with my wife's tribe the Chickasaws, as well as the Choctaws, Creeks and Seminoles. If this story is an accurate rendition of any tribe's rite of passage, which I seriously doubt, it certainly isn't Cherokee. As a Christian, I can understand why someone would write something like this to draw an analogy between the boy's father and our Father in heaven. Even then, it fails on a number of counts. Our heavenly Father doesn't blindfold us. He gives us His Word in the Bible to guide us, for us to study (as Paul urges us) because it "is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." We also have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (and I'm not talking about tongues or other charismatic gifts here, merely what every Christian receives when he or she is saved) "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own." The rite of passage story sounds more like an Outward Bound ceremony to develop trust, or something from Scouting (although as a former Boy Scout, I sure don't remember it). And, having sat on a few, I do know that tree stumps don't shake in the wind. It certainly isn't something from one of the Civilized Tribes. [/font]

**Robby** · 02-03-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by acaciadad

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I'm not sure why everyone picks on the Cherokees. They are, after all, one of the Five Civilized Tribes, along with my wife's tribe the Chickasaws, as well as the Choctaws, Creeks and Seminoles. If this story is an accurate rendition of any tribe's rite of passage, which I seriously doubt, it certainly isn't Cherokee. As a Christian, I can understand why someone would write something like this to draw an analogy between the boy's father and our Father in heaven. Even then, it fails on a number of counts. Our heavenly Father doesn't blindfold us. He gives us His Word in the Bible to guide us, for us to study (as Paul urges us) because it "is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." We also have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (and I'm not talking about tongues or other charismatic gifts here, merely what every Christian receives when he or she is saved) "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own." The rite of passage story sounds more like an Outward Bound ceremony to develop trust, or something from Scouting (although as a former Boy Scout, I sure don't remember it). And, having sat on a few, I do know that tree stumps don't shake in the wind. It certainly isn't something from one of the Civilized Tribes. [/font]

While I do not know why you were upset with this item that I posted. It was a story only!
Not meant to put forth any thing about any tribe. I have Cherokee blood in my family. I am not knowledgeable about the tribe or their rites.

IT WAS ONLY A STORY MEANT TO ENTERTAIN!!

GrammyBear · 02-04-2008, 01:40 AM

Robby, remember, just be yourself hon.
The folks who mind won't matter and
the folks who matter won't mind.
Most of us know why you posted it and enjoyed it for that reason.
(my family has Osage/Wazhazhe in it)
/bear hugs

acaciadad · 02-05-2008, 05:50 PM

To explain why the Cherokee "rite of passage" story concerns me, I have to go back to a day in 1962 when I was a Speechwriter at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. I worked in the part of the department responsible for the ANA, the Administration for Native Americans; so, one day when my wife walked up to a group of us, I said, "I'd like to introduce my wife Brunetta, who's a Native American." She smiled sweetly and replied, "Gee, honey, I thought you were born here, too." Later that day, I asked her why SHE was upset. She responded that American Indians are being marginalized by a mix of political correctness and mythology, most of it invented by non-Indians. "Both make us less human. Native American is a politically correct term invented by guilt-ridden Liberals in academia and the bureaucracy who are too lazy to learn tribal names." Her solution, interestingly enough, is paralleled by mystery writer Tony Hillerman (author of the Navajo Tribal Police novels) at the end of "Hunting Badger," in his account of a Smithsonian-sponsored conference he attended. Award-winning American Indian author Sherman Alexie (I urge you to check out his website), Spokane/Coeur d'Alene Indian, also bristles at the use of Native American and at well-meaning but inaccurate portrayals of the First Americans. In fact, in an example of deja vu, he told a British newspaper reporter that he doesn't use Native American because it's a term made up by "guilty Liberals" (and this was years after Brunetta chastised me). My wife is an enrolled member of the Chickasaw Nation, one of the Five Civilized Tribes marched by Pres. Andrew Jackson on the Trail of Tears. To the extent that you mythologize a people, you diminish their existence as real human beings and reinforce their existence as a mere caricature as themselves. I'm not suggesting that anyone set out to do that on purpose. I'm merely asking people to keep that in mind whenever they read anything that portrays American Indians as "quaint" in some way. One of my sisters actually took time one day to tell my wife what Indians "are really like." Brunetta's patience was greater than mine would have been in her position (as you may have guessed by now). I'm Irish-German, so I have much less at stake from caricatures. American Indians are still finding their place in our society. Different people use them for political purposes, or for literary or cinematic props. The least we can do is not make their situation harder. Thanks

shake_n_bake · 02-06-2008, 02:10 PM

cool storey rob i like it!

GrammyBear · 02-06-2008, 03:41 PM

I hear what you're saying acaciadad and understand you feel the need to make a point on this issue. I am truly sorry you were offended. However, you preach to a large group of diverse folks who all try to get along with each other. We share memories, stories, poems, jokes, and play games with each other. No one else I've met here would single out any other who meant well and cause them guilt, shame or even sadness. What I read was a defense against an attack that didn't occur.

I respect your feelings, but I also respect the other folks here and I care enough to try to understand them.

I post this merely to try to convey my wish that others new here won't think they need to walk on eggshells and fear a lecture for posting any PG joke, story, poem, etc meant to uplift, inform, or amuse. If your post were separate and explained culture I would most likely thank you for sharing the knowledge, as would others, no doubt.

You are welcome here as well as I was and many others are. Please, try to be comfortable and not see a horrible injustice where absolutely no harm was intended.

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